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SusanGleason: /* Keeping the Conversation Going */

2010-01-12T15:56:21Z

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	OUTCOMES / NEXT STEPS:		OUTCOMES / NEXT STEPS:

			''There was general agreement that the JTMPNW conversation and connecting should continue, post the January 2010 conference. Anne Stadler suggested this work continue forth as the JTMPNW Collaboratory. All agreed that virtual and face-to-face meeting spaces are key. Those in the circle who've been sitting on the conference planning committee saw this further convening work as a possible extension of their core participation in getting the conversation started — but continuing forward with an expanded group.''

	'''LinkedIn Group''' for carrying the JTMPNW conversation forward: Charlie Hamilton will set up. LinkedIn Groups allow for unlimited subgroups. Enough solid functionality to help us continue as a networking & collaborative community until another/better platform is chosen.		'''LinkedIn Group''' for carrying the JTMPNW conversation forward: Charlie Hamilton will set up. LinkedIn Groups allow for unlimited subgroups. Enough solid functionality to help us continue as a networking & collaborative community until another/better platform is chosen.

SusanGleason: /* Keeping the Conversation Going */

2010-01-12T08:46:12Z

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	Charlie asks, what can we do today so that we are connected before we leave here? We can use this for deciding what the long-term technologies will be. Answer: LinkedIn Group.		Charlie asks, what can we do today so that we are connected before we leave here? We can use this for deciding what the long-term technologies will be. Answer: LinkedIn Group.

	Sarajane: We will need to be able to look at shared docs, including Excel, in a shared space such as Google Docs. Charlie says [http://jtmpnw.org] can do this.		Sarajane: We will need to be able to look at shared docs, including Excel, in a shared space such as Google Docs. Charlie says [http://jtmpnw.org jtmpnw.org] can do this.

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SusanGleason: /* Keeping the Conversation Going */

2010-01-12T08:43:44Z

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SusanGleason: /* Keeping the Conversation Going */

2010-01-12T08:40:44Z

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	Charlie Hamilton: There are at least three tools that I’m aware of that could help:		Charlie Hamilton: There are at least three tools that I’m aware of that could help:

	* [http://OpenScienceFoundation.com] is a social network, group log using Wordpress platform		* [http://OpenScienceFoundation.com OpenScienceFoundation.com ] is a social network, group log using Wordpress platform

	* Newhive is in beta, not ready yet		* Newhive is in beta, not ready yet

	* [http://Zanby.com] lets you create groups similar to Google groups, but you can have multiple listservs within it for different subtopics and different delivery preferences for each (daily, weekly, all). Can use tagging to surface text and photos. Leif Utne has the expertise.		* [http://Zanby.com Zanby.com] lets you create groups similar to Google groups, but you can have multiple listservs within it for different subtopics and different delivery preferences for each (daily, weekly, all). Can use tagging to surface text and photos. Leif Utne has the expertise.

	* [http://Basecamp.com] is a great tool for tracking a collaborative project as well.		* [http://Basecamp.com Basecamp.com] is a great tool for tracking a collaborative project as well.

	Charlie asks, what can we do today so that we are connected before we leave here? We can use this for deciding what the long-term technologies will be. Answer: LinkedIn Group.		Charlie asks, what can we do today so that we are connected before we leave here? We can use this for deciding what the long-term technologies will be. Answer: LinkedIn Group.

SusanGleason: /* Keeping the Conversation Going */

2010-01-12T08:37:16Z

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	Charlie Hamilton: There are at least three tools that I’m aware of that could help:		Charlie Hamilton: There are at least three tools that I’m aware of that could help:

	* OpenScienceFoundation.com is a social network, group log using Wordpress platform		* [http://OpenScienceFoundation.com] is a social network, group log using Wordpress platform

	* Newhive is in beta, not ready yet		* Newhive is in beta, not ready yet

	* Zanby lets you create groups similar to Google groups, but you can have multiple listservs within it for different subtopics and different delivery preferences for each (daily, weekly, all). Can use tagging to surface text and photos. Leif Utne has the expertise.		* [http://Zanby.com] lets you create groups similar to Google groups, but you can have multiple listservs within it for different subtopics and different delivery preferences for each (daily, weekly, all). Can use tagging to surface text and photos. Leif Utne has the expertise.

	* Basecamp is a great tool for tracking a collaborative project as well.		* [http://Basecamp.com] is a great tool for tracking a collaborative project as well.

	Charlie asks, what can we do today so that we are connected before we leave here? We can use this for deciding what the long-term technologies will be. Answer: LinkedIn Group.		Charlie asks, what can we do today so that we are connected before we leave here? We can use this for deciding what the long-term technologies will be. Answer: LinkedIn Group.

	Sarajane: We will need to be able to look at shared docs, including Excel, in a shared space such as Google Docs. Charlie says ~~www.~~jtmpnw.org can do this.		Sarajane: We will need to be able to look at shared docs, including Excel, in a shared space such as Google Docs. Charlie says [http://jtmpnw.org] can do this.

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SusanGleason: /* Keeping the Conversation Going */

2010-01-12T08:32:06Z

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	'''Opening thoughts from the co-convenors:'''		''Opening thoughts from the co-convenors:''

	'''Susan Gleason''', Media & Outreach Manager at YES! Magazine; co-founder, Reclaim the Media (Seattle):		'''Susan Gleason''', Media & Outreach Manager at YES! Magazine; co-founder, Reclaim the Media (Seattle):
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	'''As we went around the circle, people identified their interest in having the ongoing JTMPNW conversation. Many identified the social-connecting tools they’re most comfortable using; others began offering commitments to action/next-steps:		''As we went around the circle, people identified their interest in having the ongoing JTMPNW conversation. Many identified the social-connecting tools they’re most comfortable using; others began offering commitments to action/next-steps:
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	'''Pamela Kilborn-Miller''', social media team lead, Connecting for Change, Dalai Lama Center for Peace and Education (Seattle & Vancouver, BC) — through work with UN Conferences and Dalai Lama Center has tools and experience for creating collaborations at local and global levels. It’s essential to determine the goals/purpose of the group before choosing the right tools.		'''Pamela Kilborn-Miller''', social media team lead, Connecting for Change, Dalai Lama Center for Peace and Education (Seattle & Vancouver, BC) — through work with UN Conferences and Dalai Lama Center has tools and experience for creating collaborations at local and global levels. It’s essential to determine the goals/purpose of the group before choosing the right tools.
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	'''Brief open discussion:'''		''Brief open discussion:''

	Mike: we can find a purpose, say what’s missing, find someone(s) to fill that gap. It make take a series of meetings to find that.		Mike: we can find a purpose, say what’s missing, find someone(s) to fill that gap. It make take a series of meetings to find that.
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			''We went around the circle again to identify a purpose(s) for ongoing JTMPNW connecting and collaboration. Participants identified key interests and what they themselves were willing to commit to doing.
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	'''We went around the circle again to identify a purpose(s) for ongoing JTMPNW connecting and collaboration. Participants identified key interests and what they themselves were willing to commit to doing.		• Susan Gleason — Further networking, collaboration; willing to help convene face-to-face gatherings in Seattle
	~~'''~~		• Charlie Hamilton — Identifying technologies for virtual connecting; F2F poses transportation challenges for some
			• Andrew Hart — Willing to serve as intermediary being traditional media and new emerging tech
	• Susan Gleason — Further networking, collaboration; willing to help convene face-to-face gatherings in Seattle		• Michael Brady — Willing to work on business model
	• Charlie Hamilton — Identifying technologies for virtual connecting; F2F poses transportation challenges for some		• Mike Fancher — Interested in more and better journalism; willing to find the money
	• Andrew Hart — Willing to serve as intermediary being traditional media and new emerging tech		• Anne Stadler — Interested in exploring collaboration online a/w/a F2F over time
	• Michael Brady — Willing to work on business model		* Sabrina Roach — Willing to help with F2F convening
	• Mike Fancher — Interested in more and better journalism; willing to find the money		• Amy Rainey — Willing to help with tech tools
	• Anne Stadler — Interested in exploring collaboration online a/w/a F2F over time		• Kim Lowe — Willing to convene Eastside meeting
	* Sabrina Roach — Willing to help with F2F convening		• Bart Preecs — Interested in pursuing media policy questions
	• Amy Rainey — Willing to help with tech tools		• Cameron Hall — Interested in networking and inquiry, going deeper; willing to help with F2F convening
	• Kim Lowe — Willing to convene Eastside meeting		• Leif Utne — Willing to help with tech tools
	• Bart Preecs — Interested in pursuing media policy questions		• Enrique Cerna — Interested in ongoing particiption
	• Cameron Hall — Interested in networking and inquiry, going deeper; willing to help with F2F convening		• Sharon T — Interested in conversations around sustainable media
	• Leif Utne — Willing to help with tech tools		• Thomas Bangasser — Helping develop a model of content for democracy; not just what we want, but what we need to read
	• Enrique Cerna — Interested in ongoing particiption		• Sarajane Siegfriedt — Commiting to work on the business model
	• Sharon T — Interested in conversations around sustainable media		• Bill Richards — Interested in working on the business model
	• Thomas Bangasser — Helping develop a model ~~for balance~~ of content for democracy; not just what we want, but what we need to read		• John Hamer — Willing to provide a venue and refreshments; plus reaching out to other groups for idealogical diversity
	• Sarajane Siegfriedt — Commiting to work on the business model		• Dale Steinke — Interested in face-to-face meetings and business model
	• Bill Richards — Interested in working on the business model
	• John Hamer — Willing to provide a venue and refreshments; plus reaching out to other groups for idealogical diversity
	• Dale Steinke — Interested in face-to-face meetings and business model

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	DISCUSSION OF TOOLS		DISCUSSION OF TOOLS

	'''We took a quick straw poll of the online tools people in the group use. Total in group who participated in poll = 23:		''We took a quick straw poll of the online tools people in the group use. Total in group who participated in poll = 23:
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	• Email—23		• Email—23
	• GoogleGroups, YahooGroups, or other listservs—23		• GoogleGroups, YahooGroups, or other listservs—23
	• JTMPNW conference site—23		• JTMPNW conference site—23
	• Facebook—23		• Facebook—23
	• LinkedIn—22		• LinkedIn—22
	• Twitter—16		• Twitter—16
	• Skype—16		• Skype—16
	• GoToMeeting or Webex or other online meeting software—15		• GoToMeeting or Webex or other online meeting software—15
	• Ning—13		• Ning—13


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	Charlie Hamilton: There are at least three tools that I’m aware of that could help:		Charlie Hamilton: There are at least three tools that I’m aware of that could help:

	* OpenScienceFoundation.com is a social network, group log using Wordpress platform		* OpenScienceFoundation.com is a social network, group log using Wordpress platform

	* Newhive is in beta, not ready yet		* Newhive is in beta, not ready yet

	* Zanby lets you create groups similar to Google groups, but you can have multiple listservs within it for different subtopics and different delivery preferences for each (daily, weekly, all). Can use tagging to surface text and photos. Leif Utne has the expertise.		* Zanby lets you create groups similar to Google groups, but you can have multiple listservs within it for different subtopics and different delivery preferences for each (daily, weekly, all). Can use tagging to surface text and photos. Leif Utne has the expertise.

	* Basecamp is a great tool for tracking a collaborative project as well.		* Basecamp is a great tool for tracking a collaborative project as well.

	Charlie asks, what can we do today so that we are connected before we leave here? We can use this for deciding what the long-term technologies will be. Answer: LinkedIn Group.		Charlie asks, what can we do today so that we are connected before we leave here? We can use this for deciding what the long-term technologies will be. Answer: LinkedIn Group.

SusanGleason at 08:27, 12 January 2010

2010-01-12T08:27:16Z

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John Hamer at 18:30, 11 January 2010

2010-01-11T18:30:43Z

Jtmpnw: Saturday 10:30 am session

2010-01-10T12:00:52Z

Saturday 10:30 am session

New page

Keeping the Conversation Going—Susan Gleason & John Hamer

How to create info strategies at the local and global levels? Pamela has tools and experience!

Machael Bradbury—Open Science Foundation, created a lab, the JTM Experience to host. Link at www.Jtmpnw.org

The people here are much larger than the people who use the tools? Do we create something new or do we take advantage of what’s out there? Pretty much everyone in the circle (25 now) are on Facebook, some more than others.

An Statler, expert at Open Space technology, on which this conference is based. It’s an enormously robust foundation for bringing forth practical results. Offers to help. Very interested in online collaborative opportunity. Thinks Facebook and Linked in are incredibly arid. We can invent better tools for collaboration.

Charlie Hamilton: There are at least three tools that I’m aware of that could help.

Mike Fancher—that the whole be greater than the sum of the parts. Votes for in-person component, not too frequent, perhaps quarterly.

Amy Rainey supports in-person mixers. Seattle, maybe Portland and Vancouver could host. Linked In is useful to create a professional group, search for skills. Use the Forum section.

Aaron Hartwell—think of small d democracy.

Kim Lowe—producer with MSNBC.com Noticed a website for people who have a garden space with people who want space to garden. Need website to connect people who have skills to offer consulting, tutorials, specialized skills and knowledge to share.

Bart Preecs:--Linked In has a lot of the tools. Consider Facebook.

Cameron Hall, STAVE, architect and activist—I’m a node to other communities. Should we expand this conversation to those who aren’t here?

I’m a board member of a MN-based NPO called “the Updake” that live-streamed the Al Franken debates. Zanby is another platform we might consider, similar to Google Groups and Linked-in. You can cluster groups into group families.

Madeline Ostrander-- Senior editor at Yes! Listservs also work.

Enrique Cerna from KCTS—Interested to see what happens and participate.

Tom Bangasser, Vashon College—interested in democracy. I hear the technology part, but what’s missing? The journalists are the weavers. What’s missing are the librarians, who tell us where we’ve been. They are the most honest brokers of information. They make us more efficient. (They were invited.)

Sarajane Siegfriedt—combined journalism and MBA and non-profit background, committed to watching government, making sure we have in-depth beat coverage.

Bill Richards—Interested in how you use electronic tools, including collaborative efforts like this and where a group like this takes you in terms of how to tell stories better. (Bill is the primary author of the report on the Spokesman Review’s coverage of its own owners over 10 years of a controversial development issue.)

Dale Steinke—KING5.com and a hyperlocal blog Phinneywood. Wants to see where we have opportunities to nail it down. Yes to face-to-face. Otherwise it’s very dry.

Sally James--regional journalist about medicine and science

Mike: we can find a purpose, say what’s missing, find someone(s) to fill that gap. It make take a series of meetings to find that.

Ann: It’s really dangerous to put the tools first. Have profiles, exchange tools, expand membership (Linked-In has 53 million members). But what is the idea, the criteria for the tools?

Unless we decide that we’re going to have a convening circle that helps to emerge this, and a purpose, it won’t happen. It’s incredibly important. We can add members to the convening group. We need more diversity. What will you take responsibility for?

What do we want to happen—key words?

* Further networking—Susan
* Identifying technologies--Charlie
* Intermediary to new emerging tech
* Business model—Michael
* Exploring collaboration online a/w/a FTF over time—Ann
* More & better journalism—finding funding—Mike Fancher
* Help with tools—Amy
* Eastside group—Kim
* Debate about policy questions—Bart
* Networking and inquiry—Cameron
* Help with IT—Leif Utne
* Enrique—participation
* Sharon T—Conversations around sustainable media
* Thomas Bangasser—JTM come up with a model for balance of content for democracy, not just what we want, but what we need to read
* Sarajane Siegfriedt—citizen activist regarding Olympia, commit to work on the business model
* Bill Richards—the business model
* John Hamer—provide a venue and refreshments, reach out to other groups, ideological diversity is important, bring in others from the right of center.
* Dale Steinke—face-to-face meetings and business model

Tools we use: (N=23)

* Facebook—23
* Linked-In—22
* Twitter—16
* Email—all
* Jtmpnwd site—23
* Ning—13
* Skype—16
* Gotomeeting or webx—15
* Googlegoups or Yahoogroups—23

Ann—Need to have a better tool for collaboration than these, one that allows people to create from a place of creativity, rather than ego.

Opensciencefoundation.com is a social network, group log using wordpress platform

Newhive is in beta

Zamby lets you create groups similar to Google groups, but you can have multiple listservs within it for different subtopics and different preferences for each, daily, weekly, all. Can use tagging to surface text and photos. Leif Utne has the expertise.

Basecamp is a great tool for tracking a project.

Charlie asks, what can we do today so that we are connected before we leave here? We can use this for deciding what the long-term technologies will be.

Sarajane—We will need to be able to look at shared docs, including Excel, in a shared space such as Google. Charlie says jtmpnw.org can do this.

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	'''Michael Bradbury''', CEO, REALscience (Seattle) — Open Science Foundation, created an online lab / group blog, the JTM Experiment. Link http://opensciencefoundation.org/jtm		'''Michael Bradbury''', CEO, REALscience (Seattle) — Open Science Foundation, created an online lab / group blog, the JTM Experiment. Link http://opensciencefoundation.org/jtm

	'''Anne Stadler'''(Lake Forest Park, WA) — expert at Open Space technology, on which this conference is based, and deep experience with keeping collaborations alive. Has worked in the past with enormously robust collaboration models for bringing forth practical results. Offers to help. Very interested in online collaborative opportunity. Thinks Facebook and LinkedIn are incredibly arid, insufficient to the task. We can invent better tools for collaboration.		'''Anne Stadler''' (Lake Forest Park, WA) — expert at Open Space technology, on which this conference is based, and deep experience with keeping collaborations alive. Has worked in the past with enormously robust collaboration models for bringing forth practical results. Offers to help. Very interested in online collaborative opportunity. Thinks Facebook and LinkedIn are incredibly arid, insufficient to the task. We can invent better tools for collaboration.

	'''Mike Fancher''', Seattle Times (ret.) & RJI Fellow 2009 (Seattle) — interested in seeing that the whole be greater than the sum of the parts. Votes for in-person component, not too frequent, perhaps quarterly.		'''Mike Fancher''', Seattle Times (ret.) & RJI Fellow 2009 (Seattle) — interested in seeing that the whole be greater than the sum of the parts. Votes for in-person component, not too frequent, perhaps quarterly.
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	'''Amy Rainey''', student, University of Washington, Master of Communication in Digital Media (Seattle) — supports in-person mixers. Seattle, maybe Portland and Vancouver could host. LinkedIn is useful to create a professional group, search for skills. Uses LinkedIn forums and groups functions.		'''Amy Rainey''', student, University of Washington, Master of Communication in Digital Media (Seattle) — supports in-person mixers. Seattle, maybe Portland and Vancouver could host. LinkedIn is useful to create a professional group, search for skills. Uses LinkedIn forums and groups functions.

	'''Aaron Hartwell'''(Seattle) — in developing collaboration model, think of small d democracy.		'''Aaron Hartwell''' (Seattle) — in developing collaboration model, think of small d democracy.

	'''Kim Lowe''', senior producer, MSN Local, Microsoft Corp. (Redmond) — producer with MSNBC.com Noticed a website for matching people who have a garden space with people who want space to garden. Need website to connect people who have skills to offer consulting, tutorials, specialized skills and knowledge-sharing.		'''Kim Lowe''', senior producer, MSN Local, Microsoft Corp. (Redmond) — producer with MSNBC.com Noticed a website for matching people who have a garden space with people who want space to garden. Need website to connect people who have skills to offer consulting, tutorials, specialized skills and knowledge-sharing.
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	'''Leif Utne''', VP, community development, Zanby (Bainbridge Island) — I’m a board member of a MN-based NPO called “The Uptake” that live-streamed the Al Franken recount debates. Zanby is another platform we might consider, designed for online collaboration, similar to Google Groups and LinkedIn. You can create groups and subgroups, and cluster groups into group families.		'''Leif Utne''', VP, community development, Zanby (Bainbridge Island) — I’m a board member of a MN-based NPO called “The Uptake” that live-streamed the Al Franken recount debates. Zanby is another platform we might consider, designed for online collaboration, similar to Google Groups and LinkedIn. You can create groups and subgroups, and cluster groups into group families.

	'''Madeline Ostrander''', Senior Editor at YES! Magazine — Listservs, simple solution, but they also work.		'''Madeline Ostrander''', Senior Editor at YES! Magazine (Seattle) — Listservs, simple solution, but they also work.

	'''Enrique Cerna''', executive director of production, KCTS 9 Public TV (Seattle) — Interested to see what happens and participate.		'''Enrique Cerna''', executive director of production, KCTS 9 Public TV (Seattle) — Interested to see what happens and participate.

	'''Thomas Bangasser''', trustee, Vashon College, Vashon Island — interested in democracy. I hear the technology part, but what’s missing? The journalists are the weavers. What’s missing are the librarians, who tell us where we’ve been. They are the most honest brokers of information. They make us more efficient. (They were invited.)		'''Thomas Bangasser''', trustee, Vashon College (Vashon Island, WA) — interested in democracy. I hear the technology part, but what’s missing? The journalists are the weavers. What’s missing are the librarians, who tell us where we’ve been. They are the most honest brokers of information. They make us more efficient. (They were invited.)

	'''Sarajane Siegfriedt''', community activist (Seattle) — combined journalism and MBA and non-profit background, committed to watching government, making sure we have in-depth beat coverage.		'''Sarajane Siegfriedt''', community activist (Seattle) — combined journalism and MBA and non-profit background, committed to watching government, making sure we have in-depth beat coverage.

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			Keeping the Conversation Going—Susan Gleason & John Hamer & Charles Hamilton & Mike Fancher

	Keeping the Conversation Going—Susan Gleason & John Hamer

	How to create info strategies at the local and global levels? Pamela has tools and experience!		How to create info strategies at the local and global levels? Pamela has tools and experience!
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	The people here are much larger than the people who use the tools? Do we create something new or do we take advantage of what’s out there? Pretty much everyone in the circle (25 now) are on Facebook, some more than others.		The people here are much larger than the people who use the tools? Do we create something new or do we take advantage of what’s out there? Pretty much everyone in the circle (25 now) are on Facebook, some more than others.

	~~An Statler~~, expert at Open Space technology, on which this conference is based. It’s an enormously robust foundation for bringing forth practical results. Offers to help. Very interested in online collaborative opportunity. Thinks Facebook and Linked in are incredibly arid. We can invent better tools for collaboration.		Anne Stadler, expert at Open Space technology, on which this conference is based. It’s an enormously robust foundation for bringing forth practical results. Offers to help. Very interested in online collaborative opportunity. Thinks Facebook and Linked in are incredibly arid. We can invent better tools for collaboration.

	Charlie Hamilton: There are at least three tools that I’m aware of that could help.		Charlie Hamilton: There are at least three tools that I’m aware of that could help.
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	Cameron Hall, STAVE, architect and activist—I’m a node to other communities. Should we expand this conversation to those who aren’t here?		Cameron Hall, STAVE, architect and activist—I’m a node to other communities. Should we expand this conversation to those who aren’t here?

	I’m a board member of a MN-based NPO called “the ~~Updake”~~ that live-streamed the Al Franken debates. Zanby is another platform we might consider, similar to Google Groups and Linked-in. You can cluster groups into group families.		I’m a board member of a MN-based NPO called “the Uptake” that live-streamed the Al Franken debates. Zanby is another platform we might consider, similar to Google Groups and Linked-in. You can cluster groups into group families.

	Madeline Ostrander-- Senior editor at Yes! Listservs also work.		Madeline Ostrander-- Senior editor at Yes! Listservs also work.
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	Sarajane Siegfriedt—combined journalism and MBA and non-profit background, committed to watching government, making sure we have in-depth beat coverage.		Sarajane Siegfriedt—combined journalism and MBA and non-profit background, committed to watching government, making sure we have in-depth beat coverage.

	Bill Richards—Interested in how you use electronic tools, including collaborative efforts like this and where a group like this takes you in terms of how to tell stories better. (Bill is the primary author of the report on the Spokesman Review’s coverage of its own owners over 10 years of a controversial development issue.)		Bill Richards—Interested in how you use electronic tools, including collaborative efforts like this and where a group like this takes you in terms of how to tell stories better. (Bill is the primary author of the Washington News Council's 2007 report on the Spokesman Review’s coverage of its own owners over 10 years of a controversial development issue. See www.wanewscouncil.org.)

	Dale Steinke—KING5.com and a hyperlocal blog Phinneywood. Wants to see where we have opportunities to nail it down. Yes to face-to-face. Otherwise it’s very dry.		Dale Steinke—KING5.com and a hyperlocal blog Phinneywood. Wants to see where we have opportunities to nail it down. Yes to face-to-face. Otherwise it’s very dry.
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	Mike: we can find a purpose, say what’s missing, find someone(s) to fill that gap. It make take a series of meetings to find that.		Mike: we can find a purpose, say what’s missing, find someone(s) to fill that gap. It make take a series of meetings to find that.

	~~Ann~~: It’s really dangerous to put the tools first. Have profiles, exchange tools, expand membership (Linked-In has 53 million members). But what is the idea, the criteria for the tools?		Anne: It’s really dangerous to put the tools first. Have profiles, exchange tools, expand membership (Linked-In has 53 million members). But what is the idea, the criteria for the tools?

	Unless we decide that we’re going to have a convening circle that helps to emerge this, and a purpose, it won’t happen. It’s incredibly important. We can add members to the convening group. We need more diversity. What will you take responsibility for?		Unless we decide that we’re going to have a convening circle that helps to emerge this, and a purpose, it won’t happen. It’s incredibly important. We can add members to the convening group. We need more diversity. What will you take responsibility for?
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	* Intermediary to new emerging tech		* Intermediary to new emerging tech
	* Business model—Michael		* Business model—Michael
	* Exploring collaboration online a/w/a FTF over ~~time—Ann~~		* Exploring collaboration online a/w/a FTF over time—Anne
	* More & better journalism—finding funding—Mike Fancher		* More & better journalism—finding funding—Mike Fancher
	* Help with tools—Amy		* Help with tools—Amy
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	* Sarajane Siegfriedt—citizen activist regarding Olympia, commit to work on the business model		* Sarajane Siegfriedt—citizen activist regarding Olympia, commit to work on the business model
	* Bill Richards—the business model		* Bill Richards—the business model
	* John Hamer—provide a venue and refreshments, reach out to other groups, ideological diversity is important, bring in others from the right of center.		* John Hamer—provide a venue (WNC office above Pyramid Alehouse) and refreshments, reach out to other groups, ideological diversity is important, bring in others from the right of center.
	* Dale Steinke—face-to-face meetings and business model		* Dale Steinke—face-to-face meetings and business model

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	~~Ann—Need~~ to have a better tool for collaboration than these, one that allows people to create from a place of creativity, rather than ego.		Anne—Need to have a better tool for collaboration than these, one that allows people to create from a place of creativity, rather than ego.

	Opensciencefoundation.com is a social network, group log using wordpress platform		Opensciencefoundation.com is a social network, group log using wordpress platform
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	Newhive is in beta		Newhive is in beta

	~~Zamby~~ lets you create groups similar to Google groups, but you can have multiple listservs within it for different subtopics and different preferences for each, daily, weekly, all. Can use tagging to surface text and photos. Leif Utne has the expertise.		Zanby lets you create groups similar to Google groups, but you can have multiple listservs within it for different subtopics and different preferences for each, daily, weekly, all. Can use tagging to surface text and photos. Leif Utne has the expertise.

	Basecamp is a great tool for tracking a project.		Basecamp is a great tool for tracking a project.